I carried the P7-M13 on duty for about a year when we switched to the Glock 21. Does yours have the gorgeous dull hard chromed finish? It was always an extremely expensive pistol compared to the alternatives. Shown here is a very scarce HK PSP from the military test series . A fixed barrel is inherently more accurate than a barrel that moves every time the firearm is fired. They are emergency weapons, so it’s a good idea to have a pistol that doesn’t say needs to be gripped this way or you need all the functions of your hand to properly use. squeezed inwards. The magazine ends up farther rearwards than it would if it followed the grip’s angle, which means there’s room for a longer barrel given the same slide length. I have an H&K P 7 for sale I shoot it one time when I purchased it . More easily aligns the top round in the magazine with the chamber. To post carefully composed photos of expensive things taken with expensive cameras? decided this was not a good CCW gun for me. Does anyone know where I could pick up a lighter spring for the squeeze cocker on the P-7? I should mention that, despite the intricacy and quantity of parts involved, the P7 is highly reliable and durable and met the requirement of an at least 10,000-round service life. Facts: Bundeswehr is German for the German Federal Defense Force ( wikipedia ). Semiauto pistol H&K P7 Family: Pistols for Gun Cognoscenti January 16, 2019 Ian McCollum 69. Fin de la vente : 08 Septembre 2020 - 07:32:00. I can’t talk about it even 15 years later. Trigger Guard It seems a lot louder than, say, a 1911. A buddy had ought one and let me shoot it, which pretty much sold the gun and made his persuading me to buy my own quite easy. Specifications: Heckler & Koch P7 (PSP) Mechanically this pistol is in excellent working order and functions flawlessly. Also, Christopher Walken uses a P7 M13 in “True Romance.” Anyone who has not seen this movie because they think it is a stupid rom-com has made a blunder. Polygonal rifling is typically easier to clean with less copper fouling and stuck or burned-on carbon fouling. The HK P7 is still the current service pistol of the MP of the Bundeswehr. After realizing the dead on accuracy of the M10, I purchased a P7M8. If some lucky person hasn’t already snatched it up. Barrel Features 1990: The money of the defense household which is already attached to the pre serial production of the weapon system G11 with caseless ammunition is … This helps the pistol accept a broader range of ammunition, whether slightly out of spec or dirty, etc. (she is a keeper) I fell in love with them then and have maintained the same best pistol ever opinion since. Never have I gotten an 8 rounds model that hot. With the layout making it small, it’s actually possible to “palm” it. 3. I’ll never part with it. I have never had any functional issues with any of them and my only negative comments are that they do get dirtier than other pistols due to the gas aided ejection function which is so robust that they fling brass out much farther than most guns which can be an issue at some indoor ranges. # 478 is in principle already a P7 with "PSP" marked grips accepted with a "BWB 415" stamp. During the process of developing the pistol which would become the German army’s P38, the Walther company was also interested in potential export contracts (like the one they actually did get from Sweden). I agree, 2wheels, it’s freaking awesome because it’s fast and it’s super safe and you can get the best of both worlds (super short, crisp trigger AND a uniquely safe gun). Jeremy strives to collect objective data whenever possible, and looks to write accurate reviews that reflect the true user experience. Easy Takedown All of the wonderful awesome things are all true. Didn’t have a day planner thingie so I put the pistol on top of my wallet (and stuck in the two remaining hundos from the recent — but before I-594 went into effect — FTF sale of a pre-lock S&W airweight to look a little extra douchey haha). Sohni-Wicke Agent Cannon MX 2 Chrome Polizei Kinder Pistole Karneval Revolver . I am sooooo lucky I found one. A friend hated his. A police officer, special forces, secret service, Federal police types, spook gun. In fact, the diagram there is of the P7. The snap opener curves under and around the rear of the pistol where the striker protrudes when cocked. What I really wish didn’t disappear was the squeeze cocking mechanism, it was a really innovative idea to give us an awesome trigger pull and yet a very safe firearm at the same time without the need for an extra manual safety. This is mostly due to the barrel being fixed, rather than relating to the rifling. Yeah, designing a holster that accommodates the squeeze cocker can be tricky. Something akin to PTSD, I suppose. If you have two magazines, it would be dang hard to shoot fast enough to get it uncomfortably hot if you’re loading the mags yourself. It became easier in the M8 and M13 versions…, I have one of the rare P7M8’s imported by RTB Corp in the mid-late 80’s. German: German Mfg. It’s also classy and refined. That’s horrible haha. HK didn’t invent this (SVT-40, as far as I know), but until the P7 it had only been seen on rifles (I’m counting the MP5 as a rifle). That’s 300 rounds in about two hours. 3. The p7 is quicker and more accurate. HK advertising meant the 110 degree angle was in the back of the grips and was pointing to the general area of the grips. Up for sale is a 1982 P7 in beautiful condition with the Nds (Niedersachsen), date of birth (12/82), Deutschland (Germany), and BWB (Bundeswehr Wehrtechnik und Beschaffung)(Military Technical Procurement) proof marks (with matching serial numbers as well). That’s why cheez-whiz pistols are outselling quality revolvers, and so on. One thing that wasn’t mention above regards reloading for the P7. Wow! It was a good idea, and a good execution of that good idea. Sliding it to the rear revealed a white 0. Lieu : France (77310) Début de la vente : 02 Septembre 2020 - 16:16:02. Very natural pointing and fast hitting pistol system. For a combat pistol, the difference in accuracy between a fixed barrel and a movable one isn’t significant. Although I must disagree with your statement that this is the best pistol ever. Shortly thereafter I came across a P7 M8 at a gun show which was represented as having been given a hard chrome finish and detailing by a gunsmith named Cogan which I bought for $2000. I have owned at least one P7 since the mid-1980s, and carried both during my time as an LEO and since retirement. And note also: Jeremy S is correct, fixed (pinned to frame) barrels are conducive to suppression devices but, in the case of the P7’s gas system, these do NOT suppress well in terms of decibel attenuation to make it worth it. I would love to add one to my collection, but the prices have gone through the roof. The P7 will reliably extract and eject fired cases even with a broken extractor or with no extractor. Without completely changing the architecture and layout of your typical semi-automatic pistol (grip and frame on bottom, barrel and cycling slide on top), which could result in something like this, the P7 likely has the lowest bore axis anywhere. HK guns were never going to be cheap. It’s actually compressing the striker spring. Bundeswehr ji používal až do 90. let. The HK pistol models chosen were the HK P2000 US, HK P2000 SK Subcompact, and the USP Compact/LEM (Law Enforcement Modification). Strange thing is, it's proofed as a 1985. Has to be nickel plated. In no particular order, here are the features I know of that set it apart from other pistols…or did in 1976 when it was designed. The heat ran from the piston area, down the front of the trigger guard, and onto the bottom of the trigger guard. http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Heckler_%26_Koch_P7_pistol_series, I remember it in Die Hard for sure. Thanks to the squeeze cocker system, this compact 9 mm pistol guarantees constant readiness and the quickest rate of fire. Overall: * * * * * 1978: The serial production for the P7 is started; the pistol is introduced in several Federal States and with the Special Forces as well as in the Bundeswehr. 8+1 is plenty for my purpose, home defense. Also, for those wondering about the “unusual manual of arms”, it is an inert lump until you pick it up. And yes, there’s less margin for operator or external factor error when carrying, chambering, clearing, etc. It’s pretty much pointing straight into it. Just shot an IDPA BUG match this past Sunday with a M13 and PSP. You can also pull the slide about 10mm to the rear, release the cocking lever and let the slide back down softly. It’s just a ton of machining and it necessitates significant hand assembly, etc. For modern duty use, a mounted light is desirable. However those criticisms are no small matter. Some partners do not ask for your consent to process your data, instead, they rely on their legitimate business interest. This pistol is Bundeswehr marked and was issued to the German Army. At least that was how I read the comment (rather than being about the gas system). You have entered an incorrect email address! BBQ for sure. I still do. Get some while they last. Every time I fire my P7 I have grease marks on the web of my hand, but I have never been cut or abraded. The HK P7 is still the current service pistol of the MP of the Bundeswehr. Anyway, in the photo in the “Low Bore Axis” section above, you see the back of the slide with the striker decocked. 1 membre suit la vente. You need to start practicing with you other hand or switch guns. » Suche Heckler & Koch P7 9x19mm. Ce pistolet est accompagné ici par sa boîte d’origine, son chargeur de rechange et l’outil spécial permettant le … About 10yrs or so ago Was able to,shoot the P7 at a local range/shop with a try-before-you-buy. I’d love to get my hands on one of those! I said seven.” Capacity: 8+1 THANK YOU HK! Frankly, if I wanted to carry something that isn’t the P7 but was the same general size, I’d carry something modern with twice the capacity but probably less weight. Also aiding your chances in a protracted gunfight, the squeeze cocker doubles as a slide release. Edit: meant that the P7s do NOT suppress well in above post. Less flip and rise means reduced sight movement, which means a reduction in the amount of time it takes the shooter to reacquire a sight picture. Maybe that’s the best way to describe how quickly it heats up. Regardless, the fixed barrel means no booster device necessary and no increased wear or other reliability issues with moving barrel locking mechanisms. Regarding aluminum cased ammo and fouling with inexpensive ammo. Calibre 45ACP Le pistolet HK USP (Universal Selbstlade Pistole ou P8) est le digne successeur du P7 pour la Bundeswehr . Heckler & Koch P30: Germany: Handgun: 9×19mm Parabellum: Used by Military Police and the special forces; replacing the P7. I then bought a second PSP which I had refinished with cerracote and began reading all I could find on the design. I bought a H&K 45C Tactical and with a standard 45C magazine, I find it to be easier for daily carry. If I’m shooting in one place, I expect to find the brass stacked in a neat little pile 10 feet away. Low Bore Axis I carried the gun until about 3 years ago for two reasons…. Pistolen - Suche Heckler & Koch P7 9x19mm. The timer and targets don’t lie. I love the classic P7 with bottom mag release for concealed carry. The PSP was produced from 5/1976 till 12/1978 in a serial run from 001 to 479. Dump a few more mags through it and you might even burn yourself. This is a popular feature nowadays that many shooters actually credit to the Springfield XD (which Springfield didn’t even design), when in reality I believe it hearkens back to the Roth Steyr model 1907. i dont see the appeal. It was actually my first pistol. Not 1 malfunction ever. I wish you would bring back the best pistol ever made! The P7’s chamber is somewhat on the loose side. You can call it a gunfighter’s gun all you want, but if you can’t practice with it so that you can shoot it really well under stress, it’s a gun that will get you killed in a gunfight. (Geschäftsstelle Gisselberger Straße 10, 35037 Marburg - Tel. Man, that was a mistake. The spring actually connected to the cocking lever alone is nothing in comparison. WITH the freakin’ heat shield? WOW yours ran extra hot. I next looked at a Browning HI Power. The P7 is nimbler than its weight would suggest and more accurate than its size should allow for. Just noticed something on this one. This is better known as internet bullshit. Striker safety was added afterwards and decocking does not slam the striker against to that piece. A pleasure to spend the time on. Im Jahr 2007 eskalierte an seinem Wohnsitz in Kalifornien ein seit Jahren bestehender Nachbarschaftsstreit, den er schließlich mit einer 45er-Pistole zu regeln versuchte. I liked this unit better than the PSP for the magazine release and heat shield as well as its very smooth action. It’s very simple if you are willing to put in the time. Exactly. Additionally, moving the grip forwards under the slide, which also created a beavertail without adding length to the rear, was possible without subtracting from barrel length due to the magazine inserting at a more vertical angle up and toward the extreme rear of the grip. The front is serrated like the trigger for those who like to wrap a finger over it. It really flings the brass. Inzwischen ist die P7 durch die P30 abgelöst worden. Bundeswehr: Remington 870 MCS: 12 Gauge????? Oh, it will shoot anything you feed it, but the cleaner burning the ammo is, the less it will foul the gas cylinder, and the less often you’ll need to clean it. Striker-fired pistols have been around at least since the first decade of the last century. Due to the high cost, out-of-production status, mechanical intricacy, and general “fanciness” of the HK P7, it can be perceived as a bit of a snob’s pistol. They always shoot on target instantly. However, it doesn’t seem to be tough enough for duty or 3-gun, and I wouldn’t to carry such a rare gun with such an unusual manual of arms. One left in the box, the other, 1000 round weekend makes a true believer in God and German engineering! Das legendäre Sturmgewehr der Bundeswehr, hergestellt von Heckler & Koch. The real issue is that the brass is all suborbitally launched. If the bad guy is familiar with the P7, he knows you’ve just decocked it. German: Foreign Mfg. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. The holster market isn’t exactly flooded with decent P7 options. Most glamor shots of HKs will have the backwards bullets, if you take the time to look. Money well spent. Le Universal Selbstlade Pistole, ou pistolet semi-automatique universel est chambré pour différents calibres et disponible en de nombreuses versions. Two others may not be as obvious: The P7 has a gas chamber, even if HK was smart enough to call it a gas cylinder. Not just in this M13, but in any of my other P7s. It’s a very special pistol, that I still carry from time-to-time in a Milt Sparks IWB holster. Therefore, the angle of the P7’s grip is 110 degrees and shooting it is as intuitive and as natural as pointing at your target, which also assists in coordinating your eyesight with the rest of your body motion. Reassembly is the reverse, except there’s no need to press that button this time. Maybe you need to check in at PCT’s Cult of the P7. FYI, the squeeze-lever let-off “clack” can be notably reduced by pulling back on the slide slightly, releasing the cocker, then letting the slide run forward. GoldDot is the carry version Lawman is the practice version. There is amazingly little wear showing on the internals after so much use, and with it’s original barrel it’s still as accurate as the day I bought it. Doppelt gelegte Kapuze mit gleichfarbigem Kordelzug. But it’s the biggest criticism the P7 received. Oh yea, Massad Ayoob. Rare "Bw" marked Bundeswehr military police trade-in. It fits squarely in the “super cool but too funky for me” category. I post about twice a year, even though I followed Farago from TTAC – but your comment is too hilarious. The P7 series are absolutely stud. Nill is amazing for wood ones, but they don’t come cheap. HK designed the magazine to insert at a much squarer angle — almost perpendicular with the slide. rien que des P1 et des P8 de ce que j'en sais, le P7 a été introduit pour les services de police (HK PSP) et parfois vite retiré à cause d'accident de tir du à un manque de formation du personnel. I’ve had a thing for what I call “5th pocket knives” — any knife that fits in a standard jeans 5th pocket — for a long time now. To my regret, my first pistol was a SW 5906 3rd Gen. High capacity, no accuracy! The triggerguard sizes are a little different, so if you put a PSP into an M8 holster it will go in too far, and, I assume, if you put an M8 into a PSP holster it won’t go all the way in. Now, the P7 does look just slightly different inside and if you drop down to the end of the CCP review, you’ll find more side-by-side photos of the P7 field stripped next to the CCP for comparison. Done. And every Monday night practice I shot 120-180 rounds. Although it took a little while to acclimate myself to the P-7’s system, I still think it is the BEST gunfighter’s gun. It can be reinstalled just as quickly. I shot it in 1983 as part of the military small arms testing at Ft. Benning, when the military was switching to a new side arm. Die halbautomatische Double-Action Selbstlade-Pistole P8 im Kaliber 9 x 19 mm dient zur Selbstverteidigung im Nahkampf. But despite its strengths, I couldn’t live with a pistol through which I could not fire a box of ammo without getting burned. I was able to shoot the P7 during the US military’s testing of the 9mm guns to replace the 1911. Combustion gas and pressure is redirected between the chamber walls and the cartridge case, and the case is floated out of the chamber. No hammer; manual safety, grip safety and magazine safety. Unless you demand the ability to blast through a handful of magazines as rapidly as possible without part of the pistol getting hot, this heat soak problem really isn’t one. Just don’t get it too hot. As mentioned, it does leave some flutes etched into the brass – but those aren’t really an issue. Disclaimer: I’m not a historian and I’m writing from memory as I lack the time to research anything at the moment, so please consider everything you see below as though it has an asterisk reading “as far as I know” following it. Please let us know in the comments! How does it do this, you say? If by chance a small child grabbed one, there’s very little chance of them having the hand strength to squeeze it. Customize This: * * * After all, Ian Fleming might have picked it over the PPK had it existed at the time, especially since Bond was chastised for carrying a Beretta. If so, I’m willing to bet the cost difference between a quality revolver and a polymer frame pistol has very very little, if anything, to do with a shopper’s final decision one way or the other. Lighter and funnier than most. I would love to get one, but the prices on gun broker are in the thousands. Every last detail and feature was designed to make it more effective in a gunfight. My recent experience with the Walther CCP reminded me of how exceptionally simple the P7’s field stripping process is. The USP (Universelle Selbstladepistole or universal self-loading pistol) is a semi-automatic pistol developed in Germany by Heckler & Koch GmbH (H&K) of Oberndorf am Neckar as a replacement for the P7 series of handguns ; isterium im April 2010 eine Mängelliste zu dieser Pistole vorgelegt The snag-free design eliminates accidental magazine releases. : P7 der deutschen Bundeswehr (Feldjäger), Kal. I was sort of hoping for a bunch of angry comments calling me an idiot before somebody came in and linked to the original ad . There’s no real shortage of pistols in this size and weight (or lighter) category. Its actuation with a weak or wounded hand was also near impossible. I totally loved many of the great design features. The extractor was included to facilitate ejection via racking the slide, not for consistent ejection when firing. A used T9 is half the price of a P7. The P7 has a pretty darn long barrel — 4.1″ — considering the pistol’s very compact size. Most other parts are very durable and resilient as well. I told him if I were a wealthy man I would give him that pistol. It’s the softest shooting 9mm I own. Pullover und Kapuzenpullover. Glock offered the NJState Police a brand new Model 19 & a brand new Model 21 in exchange for each used P7M8–speaks for itself. They had a couple incidents where guys could not use the gun due to the characteristics of the 1911 after being wounded. Also, I remember seeing it in a TV series called The Glades that the wife and I were watching on Netflix (pretty good quirky detective solves murders genre. Erst wenn das Geschoss den Lauf verlassen hat sinkt der Druck, so dass sich der Verschluss öffnet und die abgeschossene Hülse auswirft. Die P7 wurde nur für den militärischen Personenschutz von den Feldjägern verwendet. Most modern pistols meant for duty use have light rails to mount a light. That’s extremely awkward to do and my finger is barely small enough to fit in there and trip this dingus of yours, but it does work. A holster designed to accommodate the butt-heavy design is important. Not mentioned in this thread was a benefit that is under appreciated about the P7: That is a criminal who may somehow grab a P7/M8 away from it’s owner in a tussle will likely not be able to use it against the owner, not being familiar with the unique squeeze cocking mechanism. Squeeze Cocker I made a minor effort to orient my gun, magazine, and extra bullets in a similar fashion. I wish I would have purchased one years ago at 500.00. Basé en partie sur le fameux modèle 1911 de COLT, il possède une conception originale et extrêmement fiable! Most readable and one of the most beautifully photographed reviews of a handgun I’ve seen on TTAG. My only regret is I had to choose. Both the PPQ and the VP9 are fully pre-cocked striker designs (unlike the partially pre-cocked Glock) so all three guns you mentioned are “true single action trigger”.
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