A year on from signing the contract with the MoD, today Babcock provided a media briefing, giving an overview of the industrial aspects of Type 31 frigate programme to date. Even significantly exceeding it, as 6000t hull with superb seawrothiness, a Merlin-capble hangar with Chinook capable flight-deck, 30kt top speed”. can also fire O.R.K.A. Not much good thou for general NGS (for troops on the ground). Januar, soll die erste Type 31-Fregatte der Royal Navy erst am 1. ‘OMG! South Korea is following suit. The actual budget for the Type 31’s as revealed by the government is 1.98 billion i.e. So, let’s talk about about T31. The Leander general purpose frigate will have a length of 117m and a moulded beam of 14.6m. The T26 hull will be a masterpiece of acoustic design, very stiff, and require a team of master welders to accurately make the panels so that sound is created is not transmitted but cancels itself out or is absorbed by dampers. MBDA, the parent companies and respective governments are certainly focused on selling its missiles to both Mk41 and Sylver customers to help drive down costs, so FC/ASW will be developed to operate from both. So what’s the Type 31 going to be used for? With Russia and China happy to export sophisticated weapons such as stealth and supersonic cruise missiles, let alone hypersonic in the future, NGFS may be heavily reliant on 100% successful air defence. Perhaps MBDA might find a market for a universal torpedo launcher with greater range. You are right that developing a VLS system for the Type 31 won’t be easy. The T31 costs less and probably has more new equipment than T26. So a CSG’s ability to counter mines is going to be just as important as littoral/shoreline threats. Where is the Type 31 going to be used and what for? Considering the number of years the USN is getting from Arleigh Burkes maybe money would be better spent on stretching & lifex of the T45 & building 3 or 4 new builds. Plus when would we get these vessels into the fleet as they would likely be added on to the end of the batch 2038, 40, 42 unless we find more money to speed up delivery it is not going to help current numbers. So as presently configured the type 31 is an expensive way to get 1 six-pounder, 2 two-pounders, 12 point /LAD SAMs and a helicopter to sea. I know, it would be far better to fit the capability NOW, but as far as the T45s are concerned it can hold off while more critical areas need funding. Frigate birds are about the size of a chicken and have extremely long, slender wings, the span of which may reach to about 2.3 metres (nearly 8 feet), and a long, The mine countermeasures force could probably be replaced in its entirety for less than the cost of a handful of F35s and deliver far more capability. If I recall Sea Ceptor and any AshMs are to be Government Furnished Equipment. Fitting 76mm to T26 would still give you a useable frigate. Everyone considered the Spruances under armed, and initially they where, especially compared to the Soviet ships . The incident with HMS Duncan being swamped by Russian jets is a stark illustration of the weakness of having only 48 cells. There’s Brunei, anyone else going to help the Sultan out, I’m not even sure we should. Future frégate de la classe Type 31 A l’image de la France, qui a réduit le programme FREMM pour développer la FTI, la flotte britannique devrait disposer, au cours de la prochaine décennie, de deux nouvelles classes de frégates de premier rang. I do think the time to abandon the dedicated mcmv is coming soon. I like the T26 and we need it but the program is being dragged out just to afford it, and to keep costs down the vessels don’t come with their own radar or SAM launchers despite costing 3 times T31 which at least has it’s own radar. Deep down, we all know that it is far more likely that some kind of terrorist group could place mines around British ports and cripple the economy than an outright 1940s style conflict between aircraft carrier battlegroups. Some may argue that’s worth the risk. Danny I’m with you. If I was a naval type responsible for the programme (which I am neither), at this stage I would deliberately show a light weapons fit until designs have been completed and budgets signed off. That to me seems a reasonable cost spread over 12-15 years that it would take to complete the T26 program. A 57 mm gun, two 40 mm guns is even better than average, while lack of SSM and ASW is “special” (not required). I hope and trust the review will note that our new status will require us to 1.) There are definitely preparations being made for more T 31 by Babcock (even some lead items being bought). The RN used remote vehicles as early as the start of the Iraq war. Pages 25-26 of the original request for information document read ‘FTR’ for hull sonar and ‘ not optimised for UNR’ https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/645149/T31e_RFI.pdf. But it would also make sense to have ADL launchers as well since not only can CAMM missiles be quad-packed in them, but ADL has the huge advantage that it can be replenished at sea. in the Middle East, Africa and Latin America, where we need to look for other new market -and which are considerably less stable than Europe and to where we will have to export stuff in ships rather than 14 wheelers through the channel tunnel.. Stevep Totally agree. Somit drei Jahre später als ursprünglich geplant. More. The hull may be the cheapest part of a warship but it is built for its role. “Forget “19-escort saga” and face the reality to get the most out of the budget”. Yes Iver Huitfeldt class has 32 cell Mk41. It is true that the Queen Elizabeth class aircraft carriers are highly vulnerable to mines and other threats, however I’m sceptical of the claim that a Type 31 frigate constructed of steel and fitted with a few secondary features is going to be superior at this job to a dedicated mine countermeasures vessel. I suspect a mission module approach to ASW, MCM and perhaps AAW for lower end warship and RFA use is going to drive more flexible crewing approaches in future, with an opportunity to have core full time professional teams augmented by reserves teams. However, South Africa has lower labour costs and health and safety standards, so it’s not an entirely fair comparison. Install MBDA launchers of Spear 3/brimstone. Another potential area of concern must be the capability of the Type45 by the end of the decade? You are much more likely to obtain ammo than the guns. We then have a really potent ship for its specialised role but also able to escort task or amphibious groups. – What types of anti-ship missiles have either gun been tested against? There’s been no reduction in the number of Sea Ceptor cells. That’s not to mention any of our old friends among the gulf states, they’ve bought British before and I’m sure they could be encouraged to do the same again in the face of a resurgent Iran. – Which ammo type is best to engage missiles and which is best to engage aircraft? Britische Fregatte vom Typ HUNT I. Maßstab: 1:1250. It states “export before mid-life refit = 15 years” to continue building. Yes. The type 31 is designed to grow and adapt and is a great design. Its also considered an AAW destroyer, with the radar fit to match. Sailors? In this day and age, with more advanced weapons being developed on a regular basis and with our rivals building far more capable vessels, I honestly think the RN and UK Government have completely lost the plot. I am struggling to come up with such a country and it behooves us to do so otherwise we might justifiably be accused of inventing phantom enemies. There is plenty they can to (and given that the Type 23’s they are replacing where not used in the ASW role anyway adding ASW would indeed be gold plating. I believe the RN is trying to walk the tightrope between T26 & T31 politicians see ships and money not much else if T31 gets too close to T26 the risk is the cost difference is difficult to justify. The ISSGW is for the towed array ships which the RN estimate only 5 of the 8 will be deployed at any one time. I think it is an Inspired decision. Not replacing on a 1-for-1 basis of course but the mission modules would be capable of operating off other platforms too, including shore based operation and commercial vessels. Afternoon All So it looks like to get the ship out of the door on time and to cost some “risks” have been taken. Dropping the 30mm makes sense if you have 3 rapid fire guns on a broadside. lol, thanks. Not such a good thing in a saturation type attack (lucky there is all those AAW missiles). If it can act as another CIWS with the 40mm and Sea Ceptor the ship will have adequate defences sitting with the SeaViper and CAP bubble. My understanding from Babcock is nothing has been taken away in terms of flexibility so weapons can still be easily swapped out etc. No, you made a fair point, it is difficult to imagine anything outside of a coalition requiring more than the single group we could probably generate, an evacuation, littoral manoeuvres and such. La Royal Navy se devait de remplacer treize frégates Type 23. No reason to believe it. 24 01. It would have been more realistic to build four Type 31s with the Mk 41 VLS for the price of these five, and swap over the main guns with those bought for the Type 26. Do they have 7 nuclear powered submarines? It is also tested and proven, whereas naval version of CTA is in it’s infancy. This is the sort of threat T31 needs to cater for and will handle. T26 is a full on brand new highly sophisticated hull design & as yet a single hull is tested in the water, where as T31 provides a proven hull and lower risk. Wir bieten Ihnen, hintergrundbilder herunterladen royal navy, typ 31, fregatte, t31, mehrzweck-fregatte, britische fregatten, die britischen kriegsschiffe, die fregatte modell aus einer reihe von kategorien schiffe die für die Auflösung des monitors sie kostenlos und ohne anmeldung. The only warpon that is qualified for launch from Mk. Does the R.N.Z.N. We are talking about that range of years. I do take your point, although I’d respectfully suggest that a hull every couple of years is more realistic? Contrast that with the RN as currently planned and, from an opponent’s standpoint, you are faced with us patrolling in most seas with a range of assets that span the gammut from basic patrol, through gp, front end aaw & asw, aircraft carrier and nuclear subs. Home News Babcock Team 31 selected as preferred bidder for UK Type 31 frigate programme. Stripling out Sea Ceptor mushroom farms from the old T23s will be costly, another refit required for each T23. frégate féminin (Ornithologie) Genre d'oiseaux de mer palmipèdes, de la famille des frégatidés et de l'ordre des suliformes, comportant cinq espèces d’une très grande envergure, possédant une poche gulaire gonflable et vivement colorée chez le mâle, et qui saisissent au vol leurs proies faites de poissons et de céphalopodes se déplaçant près de la surface. Folks are getting excited about how good they would be against Iranian speedboats but £1.25bn is a lot of money for ships that won’t be much use for any mission other than that. 2 T26 cannot be in as many places as 5 possibly more T31. Laser armed warships will required sufficient energy storage and genartion. Often the same numbers are needed just more qualified. It really seems to come down to one’s views on the viability of NGFS in the future against anyone but the lowest caliber of threats. Real hope for a bigger Royal Navy – the Type 32 frigate concept, Type 31 frigate project on schedule despite challenges of the pandemic, Rolls Royce MTU engines selected for the Type 31 frigate, Royal Navy combatants – fitted for, but not with anti-ship missiles, Embracing TACTICOS – the Royal Navy’s new combat management system, Only seven years to wait until the Royal Navy gets a new frigate. Of course, we’d need to build these subs first, but for home waters defence I’d say such subs are a no-brainer, especially when it comes to the GIUK gap. Il est originaire de Méditerranée, et est resté très proche dans plusieurs langues : fregata en italien et en roumain, fragata en espagnol et en portugais, frigate en anglais, fregatte en allemand, firkateyn en turc, Ferkata ou فرقاطة en arabe. The fact is that the Spruances were built large with a lot of available space for future weapon upgrades, which is the rational for going with Arrowhead 140 over Leander. The central part of the ship has a considerable capacity and could accept additional Sea Ceptor or strike length Mk 41 VLS cells in future. Diverting it to defence would not be a vote winner. Port side may have issues, so all bays may not be 11m capable. 40 seaslug surface to air, two seacat launchers approx 60 missiles, two 20mm orlikons, 1 wessex mk3 helicopter with torpedoes depth charges and also the nuclear one. About Type 31 Frigate. What on earth gives you the idea the Type 31’s will never have to fight? Yes I know there is a cost to this but at some point we have to start arming our vessels properly. I welcome corrections from anyone more knowledgeable on the subject! So on that basis what does meteor mean? As for drug smugglers and gun runners, I’d have thought they’d use the fastest boats they can get their hands on, so the Type 31 wouldn’t be fast enough to keep up with them. These could be good warships but again the government, mod & to some extent industry is going to let us down! Aconit. Les 13 navires en service dans la marine britannique sont baptisés de nom de duchés de Grande-Bretagne. It’s purely diesel powered and noisy, so it can’t be used anywhere there’s likely to be subs. Any attack on a Nato ship is a massive issue. Which raises the question… what is enough? Les Renault de l’immédiat après-guerre les plus connues sont des petites autos.Pourtant des 1950 pour la presse et 1951 pour le grand public, Renault propose une grande routière : la Frégate. Even when everything is nailed down, there will be changes during build as unexpected problems occur. UK had all these things, yet the Falklands war still happened. Shouldn’t it burn bright? It can barely defend itself while having almost no way of taking on much more than an OPV & on some of those it will struggle. So, it is natural to assume any money to buy more T31 comes from cutting something else in future. It is a fight for the naval gun market in Western world. They are expected to often be acting alone. Well that is a question, I don’t want to get bombarded with reports on the state of the Argentine armed forces, I’m aware, so it was just somewhere on Earth, we have fourteen overseas dependencies, so it could be one of those, or maybe it was a Commonwealth country, somewhere falling below a NATO threshold but within the UK sphere of influence and responsibility, so your enemy is whoever your enemy is on the day, ten, twenty, thirty years from now. Not if recent history is anything to go by. Currently, I’m not aware of a replacement programme for the 45’s, but if it’s anything like the Type26/31’s they could also be too late to give the carriers the maximum support. Look up German experiments with Pzh2000. This is the appeal of a mission module approach. Le programme Global Combat Ship est devenu la frégate Type 26 par la Strategic Defence and Security Review (SDSR) de 2010. But surely sea ceptor is much lighter than most USA missiles? Will it matter day to day probably not, but these issues can & should be rectified to ensure it is a warship. In a shooting match in the Straits of Hormuz the guns on the Type 31 would come in handy – at least in theory….. as would a land attack capability. On that regard, I fear Arrowhead’s Boat Alcove is not large enough to house Atlas ARCIMS (11.3m long) not to say about ECA’s Inspector 125 (12.3m long). We sent everything that floated, grey or not to Dunkirk and succeeded. Furthermore this is about getting Warships the RN can afford and do the majority of the day to day work of the navy. ROK have Sonobuoys as well, has endurance of 2 hrs with one torpedo and Sonar so no Merlin but better than nothing in my view. Many here would like to see RIBs armed with supersonic missiles………….. T31 will have a good air search radar and a decent hull sonar (I don’t know whether the donks will be rafted, I hope so) and will be able to keep up with carrier. Anti Surface fit… you get the picture. Anything faster or stealthy? Not surprised to see 36 CAMM, 8 NSM, a hull-sonar, and fully radar capable FCS for 57 mm and 40 mm guns, on the remaining 4 hulls. RAN has 8 x Harpoon block 2, RNZN using helicopter launched Penguin AShM. Harpoon? What is the point of the Type 31? For use on T31. What an opponent would be faced with is tiers of Royal Navy vessels unable to act, which would allow it to achieve a limited objective, this invites brinksmanship with few options for HMG between peace and state on state conflict. I think the T31 requirement / spec was FFBNW bow sonar. Considering the rapid pace of technology calling a missile that will be in operation for 16 years + interim is rubbish, especially as it won’t get any development in that period. If you want examples of the best we had; despite all; still getting sunk, look no further than the Dido Class cruisers and J & K class destroyers. Other than that, how can RN squeeze out the money from already 5-10% short equipment budget of MOD? To be fair, the T45s have yet to actually enter a situation that warrants fitting additional cells. The design of the Type 31 is based on Odense Maritime Technology’s (OMT) ‘Iver Huitfeldt class’ hull form, which is currently in service with the Royal Danish Navy. You’re asking me to predict the position of every atom in the universe at any given moment in the future. How would that work and be affordable? Sonar fit has not been confirmed or denied as far as I know? Less than a refitted T23 but more than FREMM, and with a very heavy CIWS suite. If push comes to shove other weapons will be bolted on. A VLS is essential if the Type 31 is to have a role beyond bullying torpedo boats, and we have over seven years to figure it out. The propellors churn the water creating turbulence if they rotate too fast as will the hull; if its moves too fast there will not be frictionless slipping through the water, But also every object vibrates with a natural frequency. Current vessels are 90m, 3,700 ton class with similar range to T31. Please keep up. I was previously quite evangelical about Mk41. Its not a trivial exercise. One thing for certain, we can’t build a T31 as fast as we could up-fit one with mission modules if we needed the capability in a hurry. Hi Joe, Could you explain the difference between non-optimised hull and T26 hull for ASW? The crux of the argument for most of the upgrades is that they can be done rapidly from a warehoused capability that can be flown to anywhere in the world there’s an on-station T31, if that weren’t the case then I would agree with you that we almost certainly wouldn’t have the luxury of a notice period and time to react. With the likelihood they could also be cut in 5 or 6 SDRs between now and thenÃ, The current approach is correct but the execution is rubbish. As for dealing with anti-ship missiles, just 12 CAMMs is a pitiful number and the Bofors 40mm could be out of ammo in just 20 seconds. UK percentage of the workshare is roughly 10% on the A and C, 15% on the B. Well the Royal Navy Type 45’s have participated in ASW exercises, one last year off Sicily. Anywhere within that mix we could get another RN vessel in to make it up to 7 GP frigates in the later half of the 2030s. It seems countries are selecting 57mm for the main gun, unless they already have 76mm in their inventory. Work has begun on a huge hall for the Royal Navy’s next-generation Type 31 frigates – to build two ships side-by-side. In a shooting match in the straits of Hormuz we will be using Type 45 and Type 26. If you don’t have the assets you try to minimise your risk to life and pull back. Les archives sur l’origine des frégates légères ne sont actuellement pas consultables. Sometimes time is more important than money when it comes to FFBNW. Highly unlikely. Type 31 frigates These will be general-purpose frigates to replace the non-ASW Type 23s. I think there is an article on this site about T26s hull – which shows the level of dampening and demonstrates the reason for the expense. We will soon have 2 40mm gun types in operation across 2 services, is this wise? Add some Mk41 and a 5in and you have serious offensive capability. Sadly no broad sides of 5in guns or barrages of AShM…..modern naval warfare is very boring. They can do the same thing way cheaper & they hold far more than 5 rounds. So no, the number of launchers is not Babcock’s to decide. I know there are many on here who think properly equipping our navy is unaffordable, to me we cannot afford not to. Some did (still?) The US ship can deploy it’s RHIB’s properly and quickly aft, instead of having 4 need the cumbersome crane from the sides. So you’re are happy to sacrifice 100 lives plus on the hope that they will be a bigger response after wards? So do we. Yes Simon, my reply was in response to stevep’s post. For a more in-depth discussion, see the earlier article (September 2019): More details of the Royal Navy’s Type 31 frigate emergeÂ, I would assume that Sea Ceptor would be held almost exclusively in reserve for use against hostile aircraft, leaving any incoming missiles to wait until in range of the gun systems. So a GP will never carry out area AD like a T45, but it can point defence; same with ASW vice a T26; or landing troops vice an Albion; or ASuW vice an, erm…. There will never by money to have spare anything sitting in a warehouse just in case. Or you are working in Japan and you want to see the Brits in Port more than once every 3 years. Coup sur coup, l’Allemagne et le Royaume-Uni ont tourné le dos à leur fournisseur historique. This “+500M GBP” might cause a big problem in SDSR2020, to help degrading (or even decreasing the number of) T26. have 76mm fitted, but they weren’t keen on all the extra maintenance required for a water cooled gun. (It’s still there but unused (which people should remember when counting the number of VLS cells on Tico’s…). Hulls are getting bigger have been since WW2. You have a much better chance of acquiring missiles than the launchers to fire them. Even the form of propulsion has a bearing; T31 uses a pair of diesels directly connected to the prop shaft via a gearbox (CODAD), while T26 uses diesel gensets and a gas turbine to provide power for electric motors which drive the props (CODLAG). Après une année de débats supplémentaires, elles deviennent une nouvelle classe, la Type 31, qui se veut d’emploi général, et non plus à dominante ASM.Les industriels britanniques (BAE Systems, BMT et Babcok) proposent quatre dessins pour ce nouveau navire (dont deux par BAE). The above imagine far exceeds the minimum spec. I bet they will be up for sale as an economy measure within a few years of entering service. https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/type-31-a-critical-analysis Just for the record I believe the T26 should also be Stanflexed up. It is annoying though as anyone that watches what happens with ‘fit for but not with’ knows it really means ‘fit for but never with’ such as the Type-45’s Mk-41 capability. But then again 24+ sea ceptors is also a no brainer to me so who knows! En plus du contrat pour les frégates Type 31, nous avons également des contrats importants pour de nouveaux navires pour l'US Navy. Regards. Have you no idea of the Royal Navy’s history? The inadequately built & equipped get sunk and sailors die. Maybe someone will put a bomb in a marketplace in Nairobi and his entire caste will end up exterminated or maybe he’ll sit in the sun and have a cheese sandwich that day instead because he met a girl called Laura. The USN testing of US JDAM tail kits with Australian JDAM-ER wing kits fitted to Quickstrike mines has shown you can precision drop multiple shallow water mines in a single pass from 70+km away.
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